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1st Samuel 13 – 14:3 — Saul disobeys Samuel; Judah’s descendants establish Troy, Athens, Rome and London

Saul, the ruler of Israel, can’t wait seven days for Samuel to arrive to perform a sacrifice, and Saul’s family loses rulership. Meanwhile, God had started establishing Judah in rulership in Troy then Athens, Rome and London.

Saul, the ruler of Israel, can’t wait seven days for Samuel to arrive to perform a sacrifice, and Saul’s family loses rulership. Meanwhile, God had started establishing Judah in rulership in Troy then Athens, Rome and London.

1st Sam. 13:1 - 14:3 map

Thought questions

What was Saul’s sin? What did he presume to do? Who did Saul really fear?

How long did Saul reign as king? In what year was David anointed by Samuel as king?

Why did Saul dismiss so many soldiers? How many fighting men did Saul have with him? 

How many fighting men did Jonathan have with him? Why did Jonathan provoke a battle when he was so outnumbered?

How were Jonathan and David similar? Why couldn’t Jonathan become king? What did Jonathan do in Gibeah? Who did Jonathan kill?

Why was the shofar blown? How are the people supposed to respond to a shofar blast? Why is the seven days Saul was to wait for Samuel important?

What kind of weapons did the Philistines have? What kind of weapons did the Israelites have? What was a shepherd’s sling commonly used by Israelites at this time? How large were the projectiles commonly used in these slings? How hard and fast can the sling throw the rock?

Who performed the burnt offering (Leviticus 1-3)? Why? Did Saul gain any military advantage in terms of time by performing the sacrifice before Samuel’s arrival? Did Saul ever perform the peace offering?

How did Samuel react to Saul’s haste? How did Saul react to Samuel’s censure?

How many people accompany Jonathan on his mission?

How could God have established Saul’s family as a kingdom over Israel forever, if the tribe of Judah was be in rulership (Gen. 49:10)?

Who is Judah? How does Judah character relate to this story and the future of the nation of Israel? What happened to Judah’s twin sons (Zereh and Perez) and his oldest surviving son (Shelah)? How is history recorded? Did all of Zereh’s sons leave Egypt when Moses lead the people out? Where did the other descendants of Zereh go (1st Chron. 2:4)? What does Egyptian history tell us about this time? What do the Roman, Greek and Phoenician historians tell us about the sons of Judah who did not go to the Land with Moses (1st Kings 4:29)?

How do the cities of Athens, Troy, Rome and London fit into this prophesy? 

What did Josephus say about the founding of any of these cities? 

Who is the "Jupiter" recorded by a Phoenician historian? Who is "Kronos" in that account?

What were the three laws of Athens, and how are they similar to the Torah? How did the descendants of Judah establish governments throughout the Mediterranean?

Who is High Priest when Saul is king? Is he actually a high priest?

Reader: Hank Vance. Speaker: Daniel Agee.